Saturday, November 26, 2011
NETSA's Response 10/14/10
Winter Tires and TPMS, Know the Law 10/11/10
Hi Kevin: 10/14/10
Thank you for emailing us the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) DOT, Final Rule establishing a new Federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) requiring installation of a tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) capable of detecting when one or more of a vehicle’s tires is significantly under-inflated. I spent about 4 ½ hours reading the entire 222 pages of this document so I would hopefully understand what it is saying and meaning.
NETSA believes the answer to the question “Can we install a set of winter tires and steel rims without the TPMS?” is clearly “NO” unless the vehicle they are being installed on is pre TPMS. All vehicles with TPMS should have tire/rim sensors that are operational and functional with that vehicle.
Our Reasons: #1 The TPMS Malfunction Indicator is required to work at all times on vehicles equipped with this TPMS System.
“the final rule requires the TPMS to include a malfunction indicator….that would alert the driver in situations in which the TPMS is unable to detect low tire pressure. This malfunction indicator is required to detect incompatible replacement tires, as well as other system faults.” (see page 10). The “significant real world population of TPMSs suggests that TPMSs will continue to work with replacement tires in the vast majority of cases. (see page 98) “However, to date, it has not been possible to develop an appropriate performance measure that would reliably identify those anomalous tires that would prevent proper TPMS functioning.” (see page 99) Thus “After considering these comments related to TPMS functionality with replacement tires, we have decided to adopt the approach presented in the NPRM to require the TPMS-equipped vehicle to be certified with the tires originally installed on the vehicle at the time of initial vehicle sale. We emphasize that it would not be permissible for dealers to install tires on a new vehicle that would take it out of compliance with the TPMS standard, and to do so would violate the prohibition on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment in 49 U.S.C. 30112.” (see page 97) “Because no one is certain which tires, either produced now or in the future, will cause various TPMSs to malfunction, it is not practicable to require vehicle manufacturers to certify that the TPMS will continue to function properly with all replacement tires.” (see page 100) “Furthermore, by including a requirement for a TPMS malfunction indicator, we expect that the TPMS will be able to continue to provide low tire pressure warnings even after the vehicle’s original tires are replaced. The TPMS malfunction indicator will also alert the consumer as to when the system is unavailable to detect low tire pressure and is potentially in need of repair. (see page 189) #
#2 A business or tech may not knowingly make inoperative any part of the TPMS System. If they discover they unknowingly caused the system to become inoperative, upon illumination of the TPMS light inside the vehicle etc, they must immediately notify the consumer (owner) to make the system functional. If they knowingly cause the system to be inoperative, they have violated the law i.e. install a tire(s) onto a rim(s) that doesn’t have a TPMS sensor(s) that they reasonably know is going to be installed onto a vehicle with TPMS, or mounting tires/rims onto a vehicle that has TPMS with tires/rims that are substantially of a different size etc than the vehicle came with as O.E., or disabling the MIL, or not replacing a defective sensor(s) etc..
“We also disagree with commenters who suggested that the TPMS MIL should not be required to signal when the vehicle is equipped with alternative or replacement tires that prevent continued proper functioning of the TPMS. That requirement is key to the long-term functionality of the TPMS, and unless such a warning is provided, some drivers may lose the benefits of the system entirely. It is plainly forseeable that most vehicles will outlast their original set of tires, so this requirement is necessary to ensure consumers continue to receive the TPMS’s important information related to low tire pressure.” (see page 66) “We do not believe it is appropriate to permit disablement of the MIL when aftermarket tires and rims are installed on the vehicle that are not compatible with the continued proper functioning of the TPMS.” (Requirement for owner’s manuals on September 1, 2007.) “TPMS malfunctions may occur for a variety of reasons, including the installation of replacement or alternative tires or wheels on the vehicle that prevent the TPMS from functioning properly. Always check the TPMS malfunction indicator after replacing one or more tires or wheels on your vehicle to ensure that the replacement or alternative tires and wheels allow the TPMS to continue to function properly.” (see pages 126 & 127) “We do not believe that the final rule will have a significant impact upon the service industry in terms of aftermarket sales or repair. First, the agency has already stated that we do not consider installation of an aftermarket or replacement tire or rim that is not compatible with the TPMS to be a “make inoperative” situation under 49 U.S.C. 30122, provided that the business entity does not disable the TPMS MIL (see section IV.C.4(a). In such situations, once the TPMS MIL illuminates, the consumer is put on notice that the aftermarket motor vehicle equipment in question is not compatible with the TPMS. From this point, it is within the consumer’s power to substitute other tire or rims that permit continued proper TPMS functionality,” (see page 161) “As noted previously, vehicle manufacturers, tire manufacturers, and other businesses may not know, or reasonably be able to know, exactly which of the many aftermarket or replacement tire and rims would prevent the TPMS from continuing to function properly. There are many tire and rim choices for a given vehicle, and a variety of businesses are involved in tire and rim installation and repair. In such cases, these businesses may only come to know of a problem once the TPMS MIL illuminates, Furthermore, because some TPMSs must be driven for a period of time in order to detect a malfunction, it is quite possible that the consumer would have driven away from such business before the MIL illuminates. After the time of first sale, our primary goal for the TPMS MIL is to provide information and a warning to the consumer in order to ensure long-term operability of the TPMS. In the tire-related situations described above, the TPMS MIL has arguably served its purpose; the consumer has been warned of the compatibility problem, and the consumer and installer are able to work together to resolve the problem. The intention is not to penalize the business for accidentally installing one of a very small number of incompatible tires that are difficult to identify. We note that this result might be different where it can be shown that the installer knew of the incompatibility beforehand or took some other action to disable a functioning TPMS unit.” (see page 104)
Kevin, we believe there is a misinterpretation of this Rule by TIA, and we’ve tried to explain why we feel this way. Hopefully TIA will revisit the entire Rule and let us know your thoughts, so that NETSA & TIA can both have the same understanding of this Rule.
Thanks,
Dick Cole – NETSA Executive Director
Hi Kevin: 10/14/10
Thank you for emailing us the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) DOT, Final Rule establishing a new Federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) requiring installation of a tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) capable of detecting when one or more of a vehicle’s tires is significantly under-inflated. I spent about 4 ½ hours reading the entire 222 pages of this document so I would hopefully understand what it is saying and meaning.
NETSA believes the answer to the question “Can we install a set of winter tires and steel rims without the TPMS?” is clearly “NO” unless the vehicle they are being installed on is pre TPMS. All vehicles with TPMS should have tire/rim sensors that are operational and functional with that vehicle.
Our Reasons: #1 The TPMS Malfunction Indicator is required to work at all times on vehicles equipped with this TPMS System.
“the final rule requires the TPMS to include a malfunction indicator….that would alert the driver in situations in which the TPMS is unable to detect low tire pressure. This malfunction indicator is required to detect incompatible replacement tires, as well as other system faults.” (see page 10). The “significant real world population of TPMSs suggests that TPMSs will continue to work with replacement tires in the vast majority of cases. (see page 98) “However, to date, it has not been possible to develop an appropriate performance measure that would reliably identify those anomalous tires that would prevent proper TPMS functioning.” (see page 99) Thus “After considering these comments related to TPMS functionality with replacement tires, we have decided to adopt the approach presented in the NPRM to require the TPMS-equipped vehicle to be certified with the tires originally installed on the vehicle at the time of initial vehicle sale. We emphasize that it would not be permissible for dealers to install tires on a new vehicle that would take it out of compliance with the TPMS standard, and to do so would violate the prohibition on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment in 49 U.S.C. 30112.” (see page 97) “Because no one is certain which tires, either produced now or in the future, will cause various TPMSs to malfunction, it is not practicable to require vehicle manufacturers to certify that the TPMS will continue to function properly with all replacement tires.” (see page 100) “Furthermore, by including a requirement for a TPMS malfunction indicator, we expect that the TPMS will be able to continue to provide low tire pressure warnings even after the vehicle’s original tires are replaced. The TPMS malfunction indicator will also alert the consumer as to when the system is unavailable to detect low tire pressure and is potentially in need of repair. (see page 189) #
#2 A business or tech may not knowingly make inoperative any part of the TPMS System. If they discover they unknowingly caused the system to become inoperative, upon illumination of the TPMS light inside the vehicle etc, they must immediately notify the consumer (owner) to make the system functional. If they knowingly cause the system to be inoperative, they have violated the law i.e. install a tire(s) onto a rim(s) that doesn’t have a TPMS sensor(s) that they reasonably know is going to be installed onto a vehicle with TPMS, or mounting tires/rims onto a vehicle that has TPMS with tires/rims that are substantially of a different size etc than the vehicle came with as O.E., or disabling the MIL, or not replacing a defective sensor(s) etc..
“We also disagree with commenters who suggested that the TPMS MIL should not be required to signal when the vehicle is equipped with alternative or replacement tires that prevent continued proper functioning of the TPMS. That requirement is key to the long-term functionality of the TPMS, and unless such a warning is provided, some drivers may lose the benefits of the system entirely. It is plainly forseeable that most vehicles will outlast their original set of tires, so this requirement is necessary to ensure consumers continue to receive the TPMS’s important information related to low tire pressure.” (see page 66) “We do not believe it is appropriate to permit disablement of the MIL when aftermarket tires and rims are installed on the vehicle that are not compatible with the continued proper functioning of the TPMS.” (Requirement for owner’s manuals on September 1, 2007.) “TPMS malfunctions may occur for a variety of reasons, including the installation of replacement or alternative tires or wheels on the vehicle that prevent the TPMS from functioning properly. Always check the TPMS malfunction indicator after replacing one or more tires or wheels on your vehicle to ensure that the replacement or alternative tires and wheels allow the TPMS to continue to function properly.” (see pages 126 & 127) “We do not believe that the final rule will have a significant impact upon the service industry in terms of aftermarket sales or repair. First, the agency has already stated that we do not consider installation of an aftermarket or replacement tire or rim that is not compatible with the TPMS to be a “make inoperative” situation under 49 U.S.C. 30122, provided that the business entity does not disable the TPMS MIL (see section IV.C.4(a). In such situations, once the TPMS MIL illuminates, the consumer is put on notice that the aftermarket motor vehicle equipment in question is not compatible with the TPMS. From this point, it is within the consumer’s power to substitute other tire or rims that permit continued proper TPMS functionality,” (see page 161) “As noted previously, vehicle manufacturers, tire manufacturers, and other businesses may not know, or reasonably be able to know, exactly which of the many aftermarket or replacement tire and rims would prevent the TPMS from continuing to function properly. There are many tire and rim choices for a given vehicle, and a variety of businesses are involved in tire and rim installation and repair. In such cases, these businesses may only come to know of a problem once the TPMS MIL illuminates, Furthermore, because some TPMSs must be driven for a period of time in order to detect a malfunction, it is quite possible that the consumer would have driven away from such business before the MIL illuminates. After the time of first sale, our primary goal for the TPMS MIL is to provide information and a warning to the consumer in order to ensure long-term operability of the TPMS. In the tire-related situations described above, the TPMS MIL has arguably served its purpose; the consumer has been warned of the compatibility problem, and the consumer and installer are able to work together to resolve the problem. The intention is not to penalize the business for accidentally installing one of a very small number of incompatible tires that are difficult to identify. We note that this result might be different where it can be shown that the installer knew of the incompatibility beforehand or took some other action to disable a functioning TPMS unit.” (see page 104)
Kevin, we believe there is a misinterpretation of this Rule by TIA, and we’ve tried to explain why we feel this way. Hopefully TIA will revisit the entire Rule and let us know your thoughts, so that NETSA & TIA can both have the same understanding of this Rule.
Thanks,
Dick Cole – NETSA Executive Director
Winter Tires and TPMS, Know the Law 10/11/10
Winter Tires and TPMS, Know the Law 10/11/10
By Kevin Rohlwing
It’s a question that we get 1,000 times a year during training classes, especially from tire dealers in New England and anywhere else where it snows a lot, “Can we install a set of winter tires and steel rims without the TPMS?” The most simple answer is “yes,” but rather than try to explain it, I thought I would copy and paste a few lines out of the NHTSA’s Final Rule on TPMS.
Under 49 U.S.C. 30122(b), “A manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or motor vehicle repair business may not knowingly make inoperative any part of a device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment in compliance with an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter [49 USC §§ 30101 et seq.] unless the manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or repair business reasonably believes the vehicle or equipment will not be used (except for testing or a similar purpose during maintenance or repair) when the device or element is inoperative.” As a general matter, malfunction indicators can alert consumers when one of the above entities has made a vehicle modification that has rendered a functioning system inoperative.
In situations where the TPMS MIL is detecting aftermarket or replacement tires or rims that prevent the continued proper functioning of the TPMS, such equipment arguably has not damaged the TPMS itself, but instead has hindered its low tire pressure detection capability. (Arguably, the tires themselves meet the requirements of the relevant FMVSSs related to tires and would be suitable for safe vehicle operation, absent the TPMS problem.) Once the TPMS MIL illuminates, the consumer would be warned that the equipment has caused a TPMS malfunction, and the consumer could substitute other equipment that would permit the TPMS to resume normal functioning.
After the time of first sale, our primary goal for the TPMS MIL is to provide information and a warning to the consumer in order to ensure long-term operability of the TPMS. In the tire-related situations described above, the TPMS MIL has arguably served its purpose; the consumer has been warned of the compatibility problem, and the consumer and the installer are able to work together to resolve that problem.
We understand that vehicle inspections in Vermont and Maine currently require an operational TPMS, so vehicle owners in those states do not have a choice when it comes to winter tires and new sensors. However, the rest of New England has a choice and many of them will choose to drive around all winter with TPMS MIL blinking away. Based on this information, it appears they won’t be breaking any laws and neither will the tire dealer.
However, New England still has lawyers so it would be wise to at least have some form of documentation that the customer must sign to indicate they decided not to purchase TPMS sensors or pay for the additional labor and supplies to transfer the OE sensors to the winter assemblies. They must understand that the TPMS light will be on all winter and the tire pressure will not be monitored until the summer tires and wheels with the sensors are installed.
By Kevin Rohlwing
It’s a question that we get 1,000 times a year during training classes, especially from tire dealers in New England and anywhere else where it snows a lot, “Can we install a set of winter tires and steel rims without the TPMS?” The most simple answer is “yes,” but rather than try to explain it, I thought I would copy and paste a few lines out of the NHTSA’s Final Rule on TPMS.
Under 49 U.S.C. 30122(b), “A manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or motor vehicle repair business may not knowingly make inoperative any part of a device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment in compliance with an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter [49 USC §§ 30101 et seq.] unless the manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or repair business reasonably believes the vehicle or equipment will not be used (except for testing or a similar purpose during maintenance or repair) when the device or element is inoperative.” As a general matter, malfunction indicators can alert consumers when one of the above entities has made a vehicle modification that has rendered a functioning system inoperative.
In situations where the TPMS MIL is detecting aftermarket or replacement tires or rims that prevent the continued proper functioning of the TPMS, such equipment arguably has not damaged the TPMS itself, but instead has hindered its low tire pressure detection capability. (Arguably, the tires themselves meet the requirements of the relevant FMVSSs related to tires and would be suitable for safe vehicle operation, absent the TPMS problem.) Once the TPMS MIL illuminates, the consumer would be warned that the equipment has caused a TPMS malfunction, and the consumer could substitute other equipment that would permit the TPMS to resume normal functioning.
After the time of first sale, our primary goal for the TPMS MIL is to provide information and a warning to the consumer in order to ensure long-term operability of the TPMS. In the tire-related situations described above, the TPMS MIL has arguably served its purpose; the consumer has been warned of the compatibility problem, and the consumer and the installer are able to work together to resolve that problem.
We understand that vehicle inspections in Vermont and Maine currently require an operational TPMS, so vehicle owners in those states do not have a choice when it comes to winter tires and new sensors. However, the rest of New England has a choice and many of them will choose to drive around all winter with TPMS MIL blinking away. Based on this information, it appears they won’t be breaking any laws and neither will the tire dealer.
However, New England still has lawyers so it would be wise to at least have some form of documentation that the customer must sign to indicate they decided not to purchase TPMS sensors or pay for the additional labor and supplies to transfer the OE sensors to the winter assemblies. They must understand that the TPMS light will be on all winter and the tire pressure will not be monitored until the summer tires and wheels with the sensors are installed.
Winter Tires and TPMS, Know the Law
Winter Tires and TPMS, Know the Law 10/11/10
By Kevin Rohlwing
It’s a question that we get 1,000 times a year during training classes, especially from tire dealers in New England and anywhere else where it snows a lot, “Can we install a set of winter tires and steel rims without the TPMS?” The most simple answer is “yes,” but rather than try to explain it, I thought I would copy and paste a few lines out of the NHTSA’s Final Rule on TPMS.
Under 49 U.S.C. 30122(b), “A manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or motor vehicle repair business may not knowingly make inoperative any part of a device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment in compliance with an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter [49 USC §§ 30101 et seq.] unless the manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or repair business reasonably believes the vehicle or equipment will not be used (except for testing or a similar purpose during maintenance or repair) when the device or element is inoperative.” As a general matter, malfunction indicators can alert consumers when one of the above entities has made a vehicle modification that has rendered a functioning system inoperative.
In situations where the TPMS MIL is detecting aftermarket or replacement tires or rims that prevent the continued proper functioning of the TPMS, such equipment arguably has not damaged the TPMS itself, but instead has hindered its low tire pressure detection capability. (Arguably, the tires themselves meet the requirements of the relevant FMVSSs related to tires and would be suitable for safe vehicle operation, absent the TPMS problem.) Once the TPMS MIL illuminates, the consumer would be warned that the equipment has caused a TPMS malfunction, and the consumer could substitute other equipment that would permit the TPMS to resume normal functioning.
After the time of first sale, our primary goal for the TPMS MIL is to provide information and a warning to the consumer in order to ensure long-term operability of the TPMS. In the tire-related situations described above, the TPMS MIL has arguably served its purpose; the consumer has been warned of the compatibility problem, and the consumer and the installer are able to work together to resolve that problem.
We understand that vehicle inspections in Vermont and Maine currently require an operational TPMS, so vehicle owners in those states do not have a choice when it comes to winter tires and new sensors. However, the rest of New England has a choice and many of them will choose to drive around all winter with TPMS MIL blinking away. Based on this information, it appears they won’t be breaking any laws and neither will the tire dealer.
However, New England still has lawyers so it would be wise to at least have some form of documentation that the customer must sign to indicate they decided not to purchase TPMS sensors or pay for the additional labor and supplies to transfer the OE sensors to the winter assemblies. They must understand that the TPMS light will be on all winter and the tire pressure will not be monitored until the summer tires and wheels with the sensors are installed.
By Kevin Rohlwing
It’s a question that we get 1,000 times a year during training classes, especially from tire dealers in New England and anywhere else where it snows a lot, “Can we install a set of winter tires and steel rims without the TPMS?” The most simple answer is “yes,” but rather than try to explain it, I thought I would copy and paste a few lines out of the NHTSA’s Final Rule on TPMS.
Under 49 U.S.C. 30122(b), “A manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or motor vehicle repair business may not knowingly make inoperative any part of a device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment in compliance with an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter [49 USC §§ 30101 et seq.] unless the manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or repair business reasonably believes the vehicle or equipment will not be used (except for testing or a similar purpose during maintenance or repair) when the device or element is inoperative.” As a general matter, malfunction indicators can alert consumers when one of the above entities has made a vehicle modification that has rendered a functioning system inoperative.
In situations where the TPMS MIL is detecting aftermarket or replacement tires or rims that prevent the continued proper functioning of the TPMS, such equipment arguably has not damaged the TPMS itself, but instead has hindered its low tire pressure detection capability. (Arguably, the tires themselves meet the requirements of the relevant FMVSSs related to tires and would be suitable for safe vehicle operation, absent the TPMS problem.) Once the TPMS MIL illuminates, the consumer would be warned that the equipment has caused a TPMS malfunction, and the consumer could substitute other equipment that would permit the TPMS to resume normal functioning.
After the time of first sale, our primary goal for the TPMS MIL is to provide information and a warning to the consumer in order to ensure long-term operability of the TPMS. In the tire-related situations described above, the TPMS MIL has arguably served its purpose; the consumer has been warned of the compatibility problem, and the consumer and the installer are able to work together to resolve that problem.
We understand that vehicle inspections in Vermont and Maine currently require an operational TPMS, so vehicle owners in those states do not have a choice when it comes to winter tires and new sensors. However, the rest of New England has a choice and many of them will choose to drive around all winter with TPMS MIL blinking away. Based on this information, it appears they won’t be breaking any laws and neither will the tire dealer.
However, New England still has lawyers so it would be wise to at least have some form of documentation that the customer must sign to indicate they decided not to purchase TPMS sensors or pay for the additional labor and supplies to transfer the OE sensors to the winter assemblies. They must understand that the TPMS light will be on all winter and the tire pressure will not be monitored until the summer tires and wheels with the sensors are installed.
Monday, June 20, 2011
Important Right to Repair Hearing
From MA Right to Repair Coalition 6/18/2011
Please be advised that the Public Hearing for the Massachusetts Right to Repair legislation, H. 102 and S. 104, will be heard before the Joint Committee on Consumer Protection and Professional Licensure on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 at 1:00 p.m. at the Massachusetts State House, Room A-2. We will plan to meet at the Gen. Hooker Statue entrance at 12:30 p.m. to allow for everyone to pass through security.
We expect the hearing to last the better part of the afternoon.
It is imperative that we have a big turnout for this hearing from all Coalition members. We also encourage you to spread the message to your vendors and customers where appropriate.
Over the next 20 days until the hearing, please contact me with expected attendees from your respective organizations.
Do not hesitate to contact me with questions, and we will be in touch on further details in the coming days.
Thanks,
Art Kinsman
781-635-6912
Please be advised that the Public Hearing for the Massachusetts Right to Repair legislation, H. 102 and S. 104, will be heard before the Joint Committee on Consumer Protection and Professional Licensure on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 at 1:00 p.m. at the Massachusetts State House, Room A-2. We will plan to meet at the Gen. Hooker Statue entrance at 12:30 p.m. to allow for everyone to pass through security.
We expect the hearing to last the better part of the afternoon.
It is imperative that we have a big turnout for this hearing from all Coalition members. We also encourage you to spread the message to your vendors and customers where appropriate.
Over the next 20 days until the hearing, please contact me with expected attendees from your respective organizations.
Do not hesitate to contact me with questions, and we will be in touch on further details in the coming days.
Thanks,
Art Kinsman
781-635-6912
Friday, June 10, 2011
National Tire Safety Week June 5-11, 2011.
Get involved in the Rubber Manufacturers Association tenth annual National Tire Safety Week. June 5-11, 2011, get the tire care and safety conversation going with your customers. Although some of out tech's don't agree, we know that checking the air is s the right thing to do because we're the professionals. Right?This week, check the spare and make sure the valve caps are on every vehicle that comes through your store. Even if they're just buying wipers, make sure every vehicle gets proper air pressure, Audit your techs and put your foot down!
If you didn't do National Tire Safety Week this year, sign up for 2012. They send you the point of sale kit free and public relations, events and promotional too.
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